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Neither vessel Ben Yomo: If a dairy spoon was inserted into a meat pot that had a Pareve food cooking inside, then if both the spoon and pot were not Ben Yomo, everything remains permitted.
One vessel Ben Yomo:[2] If a dairy spoon was inserted into a meat pot that had a Pareve food cooking inside, then if either the spoon or pot is not Ben Yomo [and there isn’t 60x versus the spoon[3]] then the custom is to require the non-Ben Yomo vessel to be Koshered.[4] Furthermore, the custom is to be stringent and not to eat the Pareve food with either meat or dairy, and it may not be eaten with the non-Ben Yomo vessel.[5] If, however, the Pareve food was mere water, then the custom is to prohibit the water [however, the vessels remain permitted[6]].[7] This is a mere stringency, as from the letter of the law everything is permitted.
Both vessels Ben Yomo:[8] If both the pot and the spoon were Ben Yomo [and there wasn’t 60x versus the spoon[9]], everything is forbidden.
If the food contains 60x versus the spoon: In all cases that the food contains 60x versus the spoon, the pot, food and spoon remain permitted.[10] From some Poskim[11] it is implied that this applies even according to the above-mentioned custom to prohibit the spoon. However, other Poskim[12] rule that according to the Ashkenazi custom to prohibit the non-Ben Yomo vessel, then the spoon is forbidden even in a case that the food contains 60x against it, if the pot was Ben Yomo.[13]
Q&A What is the law if one cooked a sharp food in a non-Ben Yomo meat pot and used a dairy vessel to mix it?[14] If the dairy vessel is Ben Yomo, everything is forbidden unless there is 60x in the food versus the utensil, in which case only the utensil is forbidden. If the vessel was not Ben Yomo, then if the sharp food was already cooked and no longer sharp by the time the dairy vessel was inserted, the food is Kosher while the dairy utensil must be Koshered. If the sharp food was still sharp by the time the vessel was inserted, everything is forbidden unless there is 60x in the food versus the vessel in which case the vessel is to be Koshered and the food is Kosher. Used meat spatula with dairy frying pan Question: Dear Rabbi I have a bit of an urgent question regarding my dinner. I asked my daughter to fry me eggs in a dairy frying pan that just went through the dishwasher. It hadn’t been used for milk in over 24 hours. While cooking, I noticed that she accidentally used a meat spatula to mix the eggs in the pan. The meat spatula also has not been used in the past 24 hours. What are the kosher implications of this situation? May I eat the eggs? Must I Kasher or throw out the frying pan and spatula? Answer: Based on the variables of your scenario, everything is permitted. To elaborate: If both the spatula and pan had not been used for hot meat or dairy within the last 24 hours, and you did not fry any Charif foods in the frying pan, then the food and utensils remain permitted. If either had been used within 24 hours, or there is a sharp ingredient within the food, such as fried onions, then it is possible for both the utensil and or the food to become prohibited. Now, since you state that neither the spatula nor frying pan were used with hot meat or dairy in the past 24 hours, and you did not have any sharp ingredients in the food, therefore, everything remains okay. Explanation: The classic rule in the laws of meat and milk mixtures, is that a mixture can only become prohibited due to absorbance of meat and milk taste if the taste is fresh. Now, when a vessel or utensil has passed 24 hours since its last absorbance of meat or dairy taste, then it loses its freshness, and its taste is considered spoiled. Practically, what this means is that a power food that was cooked using a non-24-hour both meat and dairy utensil such as in the above case, remains permitted. Meaning, everything remains permitted as there is no fresh and problematic meat or milk taste that has transferred to any item. Now, while initially certainly this should not be done and one should only use dairy utensils when cooking in dairy cookware, nonetheless after the fact, the law remains as above. This however is only if the variables are that there was no sharp ingredient in the dairy cookware. However, if for instance the individual fried onions and garlic and only then put in the eggs, and used the meat spatula to mix it, then in all likelihood everything becomes forbidden being that a sharp food has ability to enhance the “spoiled” taste that is found in a vessel. If no sharp foods were involved but one or both of the vessels were within 24 hours of use of hot meat or milk, then the variables change, and being that this is not the case of the questioner, we will not address this here. Sources: See Rama Y.D. 94:5; 95:3; Shach 94:17-20; Taz 95:8; Peri Chadash 94:15-19; Lechem Hapanim 94:17-19; Beis Lechem Yehuda 94:17; Kaf Hachaim 94:51; Michaber 95:3; Peri Chadash 94:14; Kaf Hachaim 94:49-56; Hakashrus 10:117 |
[1] 94:5
[2] Rama 94:5
Other opinions-Sephardic Custom: Some Poskim rule that everything remains Kosher and the food remains Pareve and may be eaten with either meat or milk. [Michaber 95:3; Peri Chadash 94:14; Kaf Hachaim 94:56]
[3] Shach 94:17; Peri Chadash 94:16; Lechem Hapanim 94:19; Beis Lechem Yehuda 94:17; Kaf Hachaim 94:51
If there is 60x: If there is 60x in the food versus the spoon, then the food may be eaten with meat, and the pot remains permitted. [Shach 94:17, as explained in P”M 94 S.D. 17; Peri Chadash 94:16; Lechem Hapanim 94:19; Beis Lechem Yehuda 94:17; Kaf Hachaim 94:51] However, in the case where a non-Ben Yomo spoon was placed in a Ben Yomo meat pot, and there is 60x versus the spoon, seemingly the spoon remains forbidden according to the custom. [See Chavas Daas 94:15; Kaf Hachaim 94:55]
[4] Shach 94:20; Peri Chadash 94:19; Lechem Hapanim 94:22; Beis Lechem Yehuda 94:20; Chavas Daas 94:17; Kaf Hachaim 94:54
[5] Rama ibid as explained in Shach 94:18; Taz 94:8; Toras Chatas 57:14; Chavas Daas 94:16; P”M 94 S.D. 18; M.Z. 7; Biur Hagr”a 94:18; Kaf Hachaim 94:52
Simple understanding of Rama: The Rama ibid writes “To eat it like the type of vessel that was Ben Yomo” implying that it may be eaten with the Ben Yomo type of food, if meat, then meat, and if dairy, then dairy. [See Hakashrus 10:97] The Poskim ibid clarify that this is a typing error and in truth it is forbidden to be eaten with milk or meat, as the Rama himself writes in Toras Chatas ibid
[6] P”M 94 M.Z. 9; Kaf Hachaim 94:48
[7] Rama 95:3; Taz 94:9; Shach 94:19; Lechem Hapanim 94:209; Beis Lechem Yehuda 94:18; Chavas Daas 94:18; Kaf Hachaim 94:53
[8] Rama 95:3; Taz 95:8; Shach 94:16; Peri Chadash 94:15; Lechem Hapanim 94:17; Kaf Hachaim 94:49
Other opinions-Sephardic Custom: Some Poskim rule that everything remains Kosher and the food remains Pareve and may be eaten with either meat or milk. [Michaber 95:3; Peri Chadash 94:14; Kaf Hachaim 94:56]
[9] Shach 94:17; Peri Chadash 94:16; Lechem Hapanim 94:19; Beis Lechem Yehuda 94:17; Kaf Hachaim 94:51
[10] Taz 94:7; Issur Viheter 37:9; Toras Chatas 85:5; Darkei Moshe 94:5; Lechem Hapanim 94:18; Beis Lechem Yehuda 94:16; Chavas Daas 94:15; P”M 94 M.Z. 7; Kaf Hachaim 94:50
[11] Implication of Shach 94:17 [however see P”M 94 S.D. 17 how he understands the Shach, and thus one can say the Shach never intended to permit the spoon if there was 60x]; Peri Chadash 94:16; Lechem Hapanim 94:19; Beis Lechem Yehuda 94:17; Kaf Hachaim 94:51; Hakashrus 10:99
[12] Chavas Daas 94:15 based on custom in Rama 94:5; Kaf Hachaim 94:55
[13] The reason: Even in such a case that there is 60x versus the spoon, the spoon remains forbidden, as it has nevertheless absorbed the Ben Yomo taste of the opposite food. This follows the same ruling as when a non-Ben Yomo milk spoon was stuck into a Ben Yomo pot of meat, in which case the custom is to forbid the spoon as explained above. The Taz 95:9 explains the reason for this is because it would appear contradictory to require the food to be eaten with the meat vessel, but continue using the spoon for dairy, and the same would apply here.
[14] See Hakashrus 10:117
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